Discussion:
Usenet vs an Acoustics Forum
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amdx
2009-08-27 17:58:47 UTC
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How about a forum as an alternate to Usenet?

Probably wouldn't have as many catagories as the examples
I have posted below, but the more catagories the more interest
there may be.

http://www.diygokarts.com/vb/index.php

http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/

The forums use Captchas to help eliminate spam, and do very well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA

Mike
Tony
2009-08-27 19:45:49 UTC
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Post by amdx
How about a forum as an alternate to Usenet?
The problem with a forum is that someone or some organisation has to host
it. If the host site goes down, the forum is gone. If the hosting
organisation finds they are unable to continue, the residents have to find
another one prepared to take it on.

It is possible to run forums on various systems funded by advertising
(assuming that no-one wants to pay - any volunteers?) such as Yahoo Groups
(I find the interface very primitive) and Ning. In theory at least, these
suffer from the fact that they are not independent. And I am not at all
sure that they would have any greater visibility than Usenet.
--
Tony W
My e-mail address has no hyphen
- but please don't use it, reply to the group.
Ethan Winer
2009-08-28 15:56:49 UTC
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Post by Tony
The problem with a forum is that someone or some organisation has to host
it. If the host site goes down, the forum is gone. If the hosting
organisation finds they are unable to continue, the residents have to find
another one prepared to take it on.
I bought a web site to host my "naked" acoustic treatment video when
my regular host refused. The host I picked, LunarPages.com, has plans
starting at $2.95 per month, so it's not expensive. And they're every
reliable. I'd be willing to kick in $50, and if a few others do that
too, the site would be paid up for at least ten years. Angelo can be
the official owner. A web forum has a LOT of advantages over a
newsgroup IMO.

--Ethan
amdx
2009-08-29 14:08:02 UTC
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Post by Ethan Winer
Post by Tony
The problem with a forum is that someone or some organisation has to host
it. If the host site goes down, the forum is gone. If the hosting
organisation finds they are unable to continue, the residents have to find
another one prepared to take it on.
I bought a web site to host my "naked" acoustic treatment video when
my regular host refused. The host I picked, LunarPages.com, has plans
starting at $2.95 per month, so it's not expensive. And they're every
reliable. I'd be willing to kick in $50, and if a few others do that
too, the site would be paid up for at least ten years. Angelo can be
the official owner. A web forum has a LOT of advantages over a
newsgroup IMO.
--Ethan
I ask the following of the administrator of the gokart forum.

"I have some people interested in setting up an acoustics forum. At this
time they use a Newsgroup,
(Usenet) but it seems to be dying and there is a thought maybe a forum could
revive some interest.
I have some questions.
How much is the monthly cost for hosting?
How many hours per week do you need to spend working on the site?
Where would I go to find the software?
Anything else you think relevant. "

His answer;

time spent really varies. Setup takes a lot of time. hosting can be
anywhere from 15/mo to 70/mo.
this software is vbulletin, but you can get free software by googleing PHPbb
which is a free knock off version.
best of luck!

I think he must be busy! :-)
Mike
Ethan Winer
2009-08-29 14:25:40 UTC
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hosting can be anywhere from 15/mo to 70/mo.
LOL.

Maybe an existing forum would "take us in" and let us have a little
corner of their world for free. This audio forum is science-minded,
and our relatively low traffic would barely be noticed:

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?act=idx

--Ethan
GregS
2009-08-31 14:49:20 UTC
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Post by Ethan Winer
Post by Tony
The problem with a forum is that someone or some organisation has to host
it. If the host site goes down, the forum is gone. If the hosting
organisation finds they are unable to continue, the residents have to find
another one prepared to take it on.
I bought a web site to host my "naked" acoustic treatment video when
my regular host refused. The host I picked, LunarPages.com, has plans
starting at $2.95 per month, so it's not expensive. And they're every
reliable. I'd be willing to kick in $50, and if a few others do that
too, the site would be paid up for at least ten years. Angelo can be
the official owner. A web forum has a LOT of advantages over a
newsgroup IMO.
As time passes I become more frustrated with forums.

TOO MANY. TOO MANY PASSWORDS. TOO SPREAD OUT.

Its Ok if you only use one forum, but to get info on some things
you got to subscribe to several forums covering the same topic.
Usenet is so simple.

greg
Angelo Campanella
2009-09-01 00:53:00 UTC
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"GregS" <***@zekfrivolous.com> wrote in message news:<h7gnsu$892$***@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>...

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Post by Ethan Winer
Post by Tony
The problem with a forum is that someone or some organisation has to host
it. If the host site goes down, the forum is gone. If the hosting
organisation finds they are unable to continue, the residents have to find
another one prepared to take it on.
I bought a web site to host my "naked" acoustic treatment video when
my regular host refused. The host I picked, LunarPages.com, has plans
starting at $2.95 per month, so it's not expensive. And they're every
reliable. I'd be willing to kick in $50, and if a few others do that
too, the site would be paid up for at least ten years. Angelo can be
the official owner. A web forum has a LOT of advantages over a
newsgroup IMO.
As time passes I become more frustrated with forums.
TOO MANY. TOO MANY PASSWORDS. TOO SPREAD OUT.
One like that in the early '90's (fellow from Rhode Island ran it)
It literally never got off the ground beyond initial setup. Very many
subdivisions; one for community noise, one for underwater acoustics, one for
FAA noise affairs, often parsed into upper andlower level cells etc.
Post by Ethan Winer
Its Ok if you only use one forum, but to get info on some things
you got to subscribe to several forums covering the same topic.
Usenet is so simple.
That's what I perceived early-on. It helps to have some diversity to
loosen up the thought processes. So you jam together several tribes (all
kinds of ACOUSTICS) and let the good times roll...

Ange.
Ethan Winer
2009-09-01 15:08:19 UTC
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Post by GregS
TOO MANY. TOO MANY PASSWORDS. TOO SPREAD OUT.
I visit more than 20 different forums every day, and dealing with
login names and passwords is never an issue. As long as you check
"Keep me logged in" you can visit whenever you want and never enter a
password. Maybe once a month a forum will lose its cookies so I have
to log in again. No big deal. My list of links contains my user name
and password for every site so it's always handy. That is, when I add
a link for a new forum, I rename the link to include my name and
password so it's always right there like this:

Gearslutz Ethan Winer password

There are other advantages to using real forum software besides better
spam control. For example, posts can be edited for clarity etc
afterward.

--Ethan
GregS
2009-09-01 16:51:44 UTC
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Post by Ethan Winer
Post by GregS
TOO MANY. TOO MANY PASSWORDS. TOO SPREAD OUT.
I visit more than 20 different forums every day, and dealing with
login names and passwords is never an issue. As long as you check
"Keep me logged in" you can visit whenever you want and never enter a
password. Maybe once a month a forum will lose its cookies so I have
to log in again. No big deal. My list of links contains my user name
and password for every site so it's always handy. That is, when I add
a link for a new forum, I rename the link to include my name and
Gearslutz Ethan Winer password
There are other advantages to using real forum software besides better
spam control. For example, posts can be edited for clarity etc
afterward.
It's easier if you only use one computer. I got lists here, there, and everywhere.
And sometimes I just loose them.

greg
Giovanni Corazzol
2009-09-07 23:45:23 UTC
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Hello, my name is Giovanni. I am writing from Syracuse, Italy.
Am interested in acoustic as a professional violinmaker/repairer.
I sometimes read forums about violinmaking and I must say that I
didn't find any SPAM. But the topics list is getting longer and
longer...
Many hobby-violinmakers read these forums and it's very useful for
them (but they often post in an undisciplined, confusing way). Some
fine professional makers and restorers post regularly, too, and this
is valuable for everyone.
But I find that musical acoustics is not a "standard" topic in a
violinmaking business, and newbies/hobby makers do not know deep
enough to post useful phisics questions.
I wonder if there is anybody following this group who is working on /
is interested in / musical instruments acoustics.

About forum management software:

i have found this website,

http://www.simplemachines.org/

it just happens that they quoted Archimedes of Syracuse on their
homepage, so this helped me to remember them...

Regards - un saluto a tutti voi da Siracusa

Giovanni
Angelo Campanella
2009-09-09 01:29:56 UTC
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Post by Giovanni Corazzol
Hello, my name is Giovanni.
Ciao.
Post by Giovanni Corazzol
I am writing from Syracuse, Italy.
Am interested in acoustic as a professional violinmaker/repairer.
I sometimes read forums about violinmaking and I must say that I
didn't find any SPAM. But the topics list is getting longer and
longer...
This group discusses acoustics widely. Some topics are about music.
Those discussions are usually useful.
Post by Giovanni Corazzol
Many hobby-violinmakers read these forums and it's very useful for
them (but they often post in an undisciplined, confusing way).
This happens in many news groups like this. we are aware of this
roughness, but we suffer it anyway, in the hope that good information will
also come.
Post by Giovanni Corazzol
Some
fine professional makers and restorers post regularly, too, and this
is valuable for everyone.
But I find that musical acoustics is not a "standard" topic in a
violinmaking business, and newbies/hobby makers do not know deep
enough to post useful phisics questions.
Here, might have some good disussions.

We are consideeing making a regular scientific group
(sci.physics.acoistics, (spa)). Theonly issue remaining is whether we make
it moderated, or free access as this alt.sci.physics.acoustics (aspa) has
been for many years.
Post by Giovanni Corazzol
I wonder if there is anybody following this group who is working on /
is interested in / musical instruments acoustics.
There might be some. You should send another message, using the word
"violin" in its subject line to easily attract attention.
Wait for a few days for some answers.

(We expect more professional used for spa since the "alt." prefix implies
non--professional activities, while the "sci." prefix implies more serious
subject matter.)
Post by Giovanni Corazzol
i have found this website,
http://www.simplemachines.org/
This requires that someone present themselves to do the work... It also
requires cadre of idividuals all ready to start discussions. This asps
spontanously developed a good following years ago. It is a little sparse
now. There have been some musicians communicting here. But I admit that most
discussions do not go very deep as for experienced professionals. Time is
spent answering questions from pesons that have little knowledge.

It has been our hope, really my hope, that the main function should be
that persons with a special problem askit here, then they and a few others
switch to regular e-nmails towork the details when it getsvery speailized.

In these newsnet goups, unmoderated, the work is only at the beginning
(like now for spa) to start it. After that, no work is needed, but the users
like me and you have to "filter" or ignore the undesirable messages for
themselves. If spa is decided to be "moderated", the work continues
indefinitely.
Post by Giovanni Corazzol
it just happens that they quoted Archimedes of Syracuse on their
homepage, so this helped me to remember them...
Regards - un saluto a tutti voi da Siracusa
Saluto a voi,

Angelo Campanella
Angelo Campanella
2009-09-09 01:30:35 UTC
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Post by Giovanni Corazzol
Hello, my name is Giovanni. I am writing from Syracuse, Italy.
Am interested in acoustic as a professional violinmaker/repairer.
I sometimes read forums about violinmaking and I must say that I
didn't find any SPAM. But the topics list is getting longer and
longer...
Many hobby-violinmakers read these forums and it's very useful for
them (but they often post in an undisciplined, confusing way). Some
fine professional makers and restorers post regularly, too, and this
is valuable for everyone.
But I find that musical acoustics is not a "standard" topic in a
violinmaking business, and newbies/hobby makers do not know deep
enough to post useful phisics questions.
I wonder if there is anybody following this group who is working on /
is interested in / musical instruments acoustics.
i have found this website,
http://www.simplemachines.org/
it just happens that they quoted Archimedes of Syracuse on their
homepage, so this helped me to remember them...
Regards - un saluto a tutti voi da Siracusa
Giovanni
Giovanni Corazzol
2009-09-09 19:55:17 UTC
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Dear Prof. Campanella,

thank you for your message.
I have decided to follow your invitation and I will post a message to
start some new discussions about musical instrument acoustics.
But there are too many doublebasses waiting to be fixed now in the
workshop, so it'll be for the next week I think.
Usenet is ok for me (i am reading via Google Groups pages) and I am
very happy with every piece of information that I can collect. There
aren't many books on music acoustics, they are not easy to find here
in Italy, there are almost no books in Italian. Viva Internet...
The need to filter messages (by means of a specialized software or
not) doesn't seem an unbearable task to me; as you said, "life is not
perfect".
Again, thanks to all contributors.
Giovanni
Peter Larsen
2010-01-27 18:17:11 UTC
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Post by Giovanni Corazzol
Dear Prof. Campanella,
thank you for your message.
I have decided to follow your invitation and I will post a message to
start some new discussions about musical instrument acoustics.
But there are too many doublebasses waiting to be fixed now in the
workshop, so it'll be for the next week I think.
Welcome when you come!

Kind regards

Peter Larsen
Post by Giovanni Corazzol
Usenet is ok for me (i am reading via Google Groups pages) and I am
very happy with every piece of information that I can collect. There
aren't many books on music acoustics, they are not easy to find here
in Italy, there are almost no books in Italian. Viva Internet...
The need to filter messages (by means of a specialized software or
not) doesn't seem an unbearable task to me; as you said, "life is not
perfect".
Again, thanks to all contributors.
Giovanni
Peter Larsen
2010-01-27 18:14:51 UTC
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Post by amdx
How about a forum as an alternate to Usenet?
NNTP thank you.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen
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